Discussion:
no clean break !!!
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i***@indonesianmusic.com
2008-03-16 19:10:19 UTC
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Dear Members,

First ricotta was ok, still having problems with the clean break, but
it went ok after 12 hrs pff, second
queso blanco, no problem, but no my last project is camenbert i do not
have a good feeling.

The clean break problem seems almost coming back no me again...

I followed the recipe exact, added the rennet tablet 1/4, it should
give a clean break after 60 min.. hell no....
I added more rennet, because i saw that many of the clean break
problems is too less rennet or rennet
which was to long in freezer ( mine 1 month ) or bad quality ( yes yes
I know Junker rennet ) got the feeling
that they have to change the name into "Junk tablets) losing lots of
time and material because of a bad
quality rennet is basicly a stupid thing of myself, at the end the
price will be more right !

I will now wait for a clean break, but have a feeling it will take 1
day more, and this would/could ofcourse
affect the quality/taste/ of the camenbert right ?

Could anyone give me more confidence that it is the rennet which is
the problem, so I will buy the liquid good stuff ?
e.g. is this the problem?

Greeting and thanks a lot
Irma
Nick Cramer
2008-03-16 22:30:44 UTC
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Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
Dear Members,
First ricotta was ok, still having problems with the clean break, but
it went ok after 12 hrs pff, second
queso blanco, no problem, but no my last project is camenbert i do not
have a good feeling.
The clean break problem seems almost coming back no me again...
Hi Irma,

The milk should definitely be unhomogenized, preferably raw, unfiltered,
unpasteurized. Are you using a lactobacillus starter to acidify your milk?
The rennet tablets should keep forever in the freezer. Do you dissolve them
in a little cold water before stirring in?

I think it's wonderful that you are so adventurous and making so many
different kinds of cheese. Don't despair! Report back. ;-)
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i***@indonesianmusic.com
2008-03-17 13:27:53 UTC
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Dear Nick,
I did my homework carefully, the milk is always the problem, we wisch
we could get the fresh stuff, but not possible overhere in MD, exsp.
for camenbert
fresh milk is a " must " i know but.... since all the recipes in the
book called for " store bough milk " because 80 percent of the
cheesemakers cannot get
fresh milk, it should work with store bought milk, otherwise they
would not give out the recipes in the book I guess, Yes I dissolved
the rennet in cold water like always
the starter is special made for camembert., Mesophilic Starter, I do
not think this is the problem its.
One other thing, the recipe ask for heating the milk constant to 90 F,
I had it up to 120 accidential, but I do not think this is a big
problem, because the starter
can handle this temp, any advice ?

I ordered now the liquest stronger rennet stuff with the cheesemaker,
and will start next weekend all over again, this has to work
pfff... :))

"perfection is only 100 percent "

Irma
Post by Nick Cramer
The milk should definitely be unhomogenized, preferably raw, unfiltered,
unpasteurized. Are you using a lactobacillus starter to acidify your milk?
The rennet tablets should keep forever in the freezer. Do you dissolve them
in a little cold water before stirring in?
I think it's wonderful that you are so adventurous and making so many
different kinds of cheese. Don't despair! Report back. ;-)
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! !             ~Semper Fi~
Scott
2008-03-17 14:48:08 UTC
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Irma,

Try powdered milk, and add cream as needed. Ultra pasteurized milk just
won't curdle, and nobody sells regular pasteurized milk any more. I
gave up on store bought milk and only use powdered. Clean breaks every
time, even with Junket.

Scott
Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
Dear Nick,
I did my homework carefully, the milk is always the problem, we wisch
we could get the fresh stuff, but not possible overhere in MD, exsp.
for camenbert
fresh milk is a " must " i know but.... since all the recipes in the
book called for " store bough milk " because 80 percent of the
cheesemakers cannot get
fresh milk, it should work with store bought milk, otherwise they
would not give out the recipes in the book I guess, Yes I dissolved
the rennet in cold water like always
the starter is special made for camembert., Mesophilic Starter, I do
not think this is the problem its.
One other thing, the recipe ask for heating the milk constant to 90 F,
I had it up to 120 accidential, but I do not think this is a big
problem, because the starter
can handle this temp, any advice ?
I ordered now the liquest stronger rennet stuff with the cheesemaker,
and will start next weekend all over again, this has to work
pfff... :))
"perfection is only 100 percent "
Irma
Post by Nick Cramer
The milk should definitely be unhomogenized, preferably raw, unfiltered,
unpasteurized. Are you using a lactobacillus starter to acidify your milk?
The rennet tablets should keep forever in the freezer. Do you dissolve them
in a little cold water before stirring in?
I think it's wonderful that you are so adventurous and making so many
different kinds of cheese. Don't despair! Report back. ;-)
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
Nick Cramer
2008-03-17 21:15:56 UTC
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Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
Dear Nick,
I did my homework carefully, the milk is always the problem, we wisch
we could get the fresh stuff, but not possible overhere in MD, exsp.
for camenbert
fresh milk is a " must " i know but.... since all the recipes in the
book called for " store bough milk " because 80 percent of the
cheesemakers cannot get
fresh milk, it should work with store bought milk, otherwise they
would not give out the recipes in the book I guess, Yes I dissolved
the rennet in cold water like always
the starter is special made for camembert., Mesophilic Starter, I do
not think this is the problem its.
One other thing, the recipe ask for heating the milk constant to 90 F,
I had it up to 120 accidential, but I do not think this is a big
problem, because the starter can handle this temp, any advice ?
I ordered now the liquest stronger rennet stuff with the cheesemaker,
and will start next weekend all over again, this has to work
pfff... :))
"perfection is only 100 percent "
Hi Irma,

I hope you're at least able to get unhomogenized milk! I came across this
interesting news story:

"To Sell Raw Milk
Reporting Suzanne Collins

GETTYSBURG, Pa. (WJZ) -- Lawmakers are deciding if Maryland dairy farmers
should be able to sell directly to the public and even sell raw,
unpasteurized milk.

Suzanne Collins reports it's already allowed just north of Maryland in
Pennsylvania.

Near Gettysburg, there's a dairy farm that does things the old-fashioned
way. Cows roam and graze, unlike at factory farms.

From the milking barn, milk goes right to the processing area. The glass
bottles are sold right at the farm store and even raw, unpasteurized milk
is available.

"We were not planning on selling raw milk when we first opened the
creamery. We had so many customers--one in four we estimated--wanted raw
milk. We said, 'hey this is what the consumer wants, is there a safe way we
can do it?' We researched it," said Don Everett from Apple Valley Creamery.

The advent of pasteurization prevented many bacterial illnesses from milk,
but some people believe the healthy benefits of raw milk outweigh the
dangers.

"The lady I work with, she is all about raw milk. That's the only thing she
uses. She makes her own butter with it," said one consumer.

Some lawmakers in Maryland are trying to legalize direct milk sales and the
sale of raw milk here.

It would be regulated carefully, as in Pennsylvania where the state tests
it twice a month.

There are also warnings on the raw milk. People who are pregnant or with
weak immune systems should avoid it.

"The taste is much better than the stuff in the store is, I think," said
one milk drinker.

At a hearing in Annapolis, consumers and some farmers testified in favor of
the bill, but the farmers association was worried if anyone got sick from
raw milk it might hurt the dairy industry.

"Everything is about quality control. The bigger you get, the harder it is
to control quality from one end to the other. I think smaller farmers are
struggling to make ends meet. I think this might be a great option for
them," said Everett.

You may have a parent or grandparent who told you milk in the old days had
a layer of cream on top. Raw milk has that, too. Not only is it not
pasteurized, but it's also not homogenized.

At Apple Valley, they refill returned bottles and even deliver to homes in
the area.

A vote is expected next week on whether to allow dairy farmers to sell raw
milk in Maryland.

(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)"

I don't know how far Gettysburg is from you. That might be an option. Here
in Southern California, we're able to get raw milk. It is sooooo good!
Reminds me of when I was a kid. When I was at my Grandmother's, she got raw
milk from Ohrbach (sp? it's been 60 years) Dairy.

http://www.altadenadairy.com/faq.html

That 120° F. spike shouldn't be a problem, but probably better if you can
keep it below body temp (98.6). Do you use Penicillium candida and
Penicillium camemberti to cure your cheese?

My cousin and her husband live in Phoenix MD. I've enjoyed sailing on the
Chesapeake, eating soft shelled crab sandwiches in Annapolis and long neck
clams on St. George Island, back in the early 80's.

If the book you're using has given you good results with other cheeses (you
mentioned that you had made Ricotta. Was that made with the whey from your
Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
". . . since all the recipes in the book called for store bough milk
because 80 percent of the cheesemakers cannot get fresh milk, it should
work with store bought milk, otherwise they would not give out the
recipes in the book I guess,"
sounds reasonable. Never hurts to get a second opinion, though. I don't
have a recommendation, but I'll ask over on alt.binaries.food. A lot of my
buddies there make cheese and might have a good reference. If so, I'll post
it here. Meanwhile, you might check Amazon. Seeing how you do your
homework, you probably already have done so. ;-)

I like to mix Camembert and Gorgonzola for an appetizer or quesadilla. Mmm!
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
irma
2008-03-17 22:01:00 UTC
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Dear Nick,

I give up... I did the milk powder thing, after 1 hour now its still "
milk", I will wait the new liquit rennet, and will redo everything,
this is getting madness .... pff

Very interested story about the raw milk, gettysburg is not that far,
about 1 hrs, could be worth it, if my " basics" would start to work
once..pff

The book is pretty good, cheese making at home, they sold a couple of
miljions, thats not the problem, also the mold homework is no problem,
but
all before this is going to happen I need a curd :))))

really nothing is happening with this stupid rennet, I got a bad
feeling, I stored this rennet before I knew more about cheesemaking is
a room, where it
sometimes gets warm ( bedroom :)) a couple of weeks, this could be the
problem of the weak rennet, I saw in an article that if you store the
rennet
on roomtemp some times, it loses its power, I got a bad feeling it is
the rennet, because nothing else could be the reason of " Not getting
a curd " right ?
I work by the book, did my homework, and repeatly it goes wrong after
the rennet is added diluted with cold water nothing happens, only the
first time
the mozeralla, it could be that the first time mozerella it was in the
very early beginning the rennet was ok, after that i kept it in the
warm place until now
I start using it, and things go wrong.
I will let you know when i get the new rennet

Thanks a lot for your article very interesting for home cheesemakers,
just wondering about the prices ?

Regards,
Irma
Nick Cramer
2008-03-17 23:47:36 UTC
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irma <***@indonesianmusic.com> wrote:

Dear Irma,
Post by irma
I give up... I did the milk powder thing, after 1 hour now its still "
milk", I will wait the new liquit rennet, and will redo everything,
this is getting madness .... pff
[ . . . ]
Thanks a lot for your article very interesting for home cheesemakers,
just wondering about the prices ?
It sounds like sleeping with those rennet tablets under your pillow may,
indeed, have been the problem. The liquid is about twice as strong as the
tablets at their best.

I know you won't really give up. I'm looking forward to you sending me some
of your aged Camembert. ;-)

Raw milk is about the same price as 'regular' milk here. Around
$1.50/gallon in small groceries, up to $3.50/gallon in Stupormarkets. I
don't know what my daughter pays for those two gallon packs at Costco. It's
funny. Last night she was asking me about powdered milk. I told her it was
really good, could be made as strong as she liked and would be even better
with a little heavy cream mixed in. Half a cup to a gallon should do it.
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
irma
2008-03-18 00:45:56 UTC
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Post by Nick Cramer
Dear Irma,
Post by irma
I give up... I did the milk powder thing, after 1 hour now its still "
milk", I will wait the new liquit rennet, and will redo everything,
this is getting madness .... pff
[ . . . ]
Thanks a lot for your article very interesting for home cheesemakers,
just wondering about the prices ?
It sounds like sleeping with those rennet tablets under your pillow may,
indeed, have been the problem. The liquid is about twice as strong as the
tablets at their best.
I know you won't really give up. I'm looking forward to you sending me some
of your aged Camembert. ;-)
Raw milk is about the same price as 'regular' milk here. Around
$1.50/gallon in small groceries, up to $3.50/gallon in Stupormarkets. I
don't know what my daughter pays for those two gallon packs at Costco. It's
funny. Last night she was asking me about powdered milk. I told her it was
really good, could be made as strong as she liked and would be even better
with a little heavy cream mixed in. Half a cup to a gallon should do it.
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
are you talking about raw milk at the Costco ?

Irma
Nick Cramer
2008-03-18 02:17:34 UTC
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Post by irma
Post by irma
[ . . . ]
are you talking about raw milk at the Costco ?
No. She buys regular (3.5%), 2% snd 1% there. Also, I was very disappointed
to discover that Alta Dena Dairy no longer sells raw milk.

One of my friends from alt.binaries.food sent me this:

http://www.applevalleycreamery.com/

Regards,
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
irma
2008-03-22 13:44:39 UTC
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Dear Nick,

I made my " test batch " with a little milk and the new rennet, and it
works !!!!
I am glad I know the problem is not me, the milk, but the rennet, the
tablets have probably been exposed to too much
warmer temp. so it does not work anymore, a good lesson, I stick to my
liquit rennet for now, and let you guys know how the
real batch has turned out, will start today.

Regards,
Irma
Post by Nick Cramer
Post by irma
Post by irma
[ . . . ]
are you talking about raw milk at the Costco ?
No. She buys regular (3.5%), 2% snd 1% there. Also, I was very disappointed
to discover that Alta Dena Dairy no longer sells raw milk.
http://www.applevalleycreamery.com/
Regards,
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
Nick Cramer
2008-03-22 21:27:23 UTC
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Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
Dear Nick,
I made my " test batch " with a little milk and the new rennet, and it
works !!!!
I am glad I know the problem is not me, the milk, but the rennet, the
tablets have probably been exposed to too much
warmer temp. so it does not work anymore, a good lesson, I stick to my
liquit rennet for now, and let you guys know how the
real batch has turned out, will start today.
That's great, Irma! I'll be watching for a sample in the mail. ;-)
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
irma
2008-03-23 14:27:59 UTC
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Post by Nick Cramer
Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
Dear Nick,
I made my " test batch " with a little milk and the new rennet, and it
works !!!!
I am glad I know the problem is not me, the milk, but the rennet, the
tablets have probably been exposed to too much
warmer temp. so it does not work anymore, a good lesson, I stick to my
liquit rennet for now, and let you guys know how the
real batch has turned out, will start today.
That's great, Irma! I'll be watching for a sample in the mail. ;-)
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
Nick

it turned out to be more then my expentation, have 3 beautifull
camenbert in my ref at 45 F 95 huminity sprayed with mold, now wait "
just " 6 weeks,
before the results are there..


It has a lot of work, but i am learning from this, how to make it more
easier with the next batch, thats the way to learn it, to do it first,
see the problems, and
how to adjust them, I am until now very happey with the results, now
wait until the taste test. Next step up " Gouda " and "Edammer", Once
we know all the
trics and ways, we can start thinking seriously about more production
or thinks. Like i told you tropical countries, yes we are thinking
about starting
something like this in my home country, the problems are ofcourse how
to get rennet, and the starter. Thailand is already closer, glad to
see its possible, because once we got starter and rennet, its easy to
muliply so we do have enought stock, the rest like fresh milk and
other ingredience are simple to get and cheap, so there could be a
market, " knowledge is power "....

Irma
Nick Cramer
2008-03-23 22:11:52 UTC
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Post by irma
Post by irma
[ . . . ]
it turned out to be more then my expentation, have 3 beautifull
camenbert in my ref at 45 F 95 huminity sprayed with mold, now wait
"just" 6 weeks, before the results are there . . . .
[ . . . ]

Tres KEWL!!!

Orang Indonesia?
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
irma
2008-03-24 00:43:32 UTC
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Post by irma
Post by irma
Post by irma
[ . . . ]
it turned out to be more then my expentation, have 3 beautifull
camenbert in my ref at 45 F 95 huminity sprayed with mold, now wait
"just" 6 weeks, before the results are there . . . .
[ . . . ]
Tres KEWL!!!
Orang Indonesia?
--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! !             ~Semper Fi~
yes orang indonesia

Irma
Nick Cramer
2008-03-24 09:05:25 UTC
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Post by irma
Post by Nick Cramer
Post by irma
[ . . . ]
Orang Indonesia?
yes orang indonesia
Terima kasih.
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~
irma
2008-03-31 13:10:17 UTC
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Post by Nick Cramer
Post by irma
Post by Nick Cramer
Post by irma
[ . . . ]
Orang Indonesia?
yes orang indonesia
Terima kasih.
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! !             ~Semper Fi~
My " camenbert " are in the ref at 45 F 90 percent huminity nothing is
happening. Evertything went well, the only thing a forgot was to pore
in the
mold solution with the milk, so I did this afterwards ( after 2 days
spraying the mold on the cheeses for a couple of times ). the
instructions on the mold was
either mix it in with the milk, of spray afterwards, but it could mean
that there is the problem. After 6 days no mold yet, i packed them in
cheesepaper and will wait
what is happening after 6 weeks, the residu tasted although like a
young brie, maybe something is going to happen anyway, I hope. Again
its all about learning the process, and knowing what you did wrong,
e.g. to find the answer, this way next time it will be better.I made
my own mold from PVC, instead buying them at 15 dollars a piece, PVC
is safe for food at this short stage, so just get a 4" pvc and cut
them off, no problem. I mixed the "mold " mixture with clean water,
and
kept it in the ref, the instructions told that it will stay active
this way for more then 2 months, so my question again is , why is
there no mold starting on my cheese ?
I sprayed them now a couple of times, the temp and hum. is ok, could
it be that I had to mix in the mold with the milk in the beginning,
and that afterward
spraying does not help ? or could the mold still be coming ?
( praying :))

Anyone has an idea what went wrong ?

Thanks
Irma

irma
2008-03-17 22:08:46 UTC
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Post by Nick Cramer
Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
Dear Nick,
I did my homework carefully, the milk is always the problem, we wisch
we could get the fresh stuff, but not possible overhere in MD, exsp.
for camenbert
fresh milk is a " must " i know but.... since all the recipes in the
book called for " store bough milk " because 80 percent of the
cheesemakers cannot get
fresh milk, it should work with store bought milk, otherwise they
would not give out the recipes in the book I guess, Yes I dissolved
the rennet in cold water like always
the starter is special made for camembert., Mesophilic Starter, I do
not think this is the problem its.
One other thing, the recipe ask for heating the milk constant to 90 F,
I had it up to 120 accidential, but I do not think this is a big
problem, because the starter can handle this temp, any advice ?
I ordered now the liquest stronger rennet stuff with the cheesemaker,
and will start next weekend all over again, this has to work
pfff... :))
"perfection is only 100 percent "
Hi Irma,
I hope you're at least able to get unhomogenized milk! I came across this
"To Sell Raw Milk
Reporting Suzanne Collins
GETTYSBURG, Pa. (WJZ) -- Lawmakers are deciding if Maryland dairy farmers
should be able to sell directly to the public and even sell raw,
unpasteurized milk.
Suzanne Collins reports it's already allowed just north of Maryland in
Pennsylvania.
Near Gettysburg, there's a dairy farm that does things the old-fashioned
way. Cows roam and graze, unlike at factory farms.
From the milking barn, milk goes right to the processing area. The glass
bottles are sold right at the farm store and even raw, unpasteurized milk
is available.
"We were not planning on selling raw milk when we first opened the
creamery. We had so many customers--one in four we estimated--wanted raw
milk. We said, 'hey this is what the consumer wants, is there a safe way we
can do it?' We researched it," said Don Everett from Apple Valley Creamery.
The advent of pasteurization prevented many bacterial illnesses from milk,
but some people believe the healthy benefits of raw milk outweigh the
dangers.
"The lady I work with, she is all about raw milk. That's the only thing she
uses. She makes her own butter with it," said one consumer.
Some lawmakers in Maryland are trying to legalize direct milk sales and the
sale of raw milk here.
It would be regulated carefully, as in Pennsylvania where the state tests
it twice a month.
There are also warnings on the raw milk. People who are pregnant or with
weak immune systems should avoid it.
"The taste is much better than the stuff in the store is, I think," said
one milk drinker.
At a hearing in Annapolis, consumers and some farmers testified in favor of
the bill, but the farmers association was worried if anyone got sick from
raw milk it might hurt the dairy industry.
"Everything is about quality control. The bigger you get, the harder it is
to control quality from one end to the other. I think smaller farmers are
struggling to make ends meet. I think this might be a great option for
them," said Everett.
You may have a parent or grandparent who told you milk in the old days had
a layer of cream on top. Raw milk has that, too. Not only is it not
pasteurized, but it's also not homogenized.
At Apple Valley, they refill returned bottles and even deliver to homes in
the area.
A vote is expected next week on whether to allow dairy farmers to sell raw
milk in Maryland.
(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)"
I don't know how far Gettysburg is from you. That might be an option. Here
in Southern California, we're able to get raw milk. It is sooooo good!
Reminds me of when I was a kid. When I was at my Grandmother's, she got raw
milk from Ohrbach (sp? it's been 60 years) Dairy.
http://www.altadenadairy.com/faq.html
That 120° F. spike shouldn't be a problem, but probably better if you can
keep it below body temp (98.6). Do you use Penicillium candida and
Penicillium camemberti to cure your cheese?
My cousin and her husband live in Phoenix MD. I've enjoyed sailing on the
Chesapeake, eating soft shelled crab sandwiches in Annapolis and long neck
clams on St. George Island, back in the early 80's.
If the book you're using has given you good results with other cheeses (you
mentioned that you had made Ricotta. Was that made with the whey from your
Post by i***@indonesianmusic.com
". . . since all the recipes in the book called for store bough milk
because 80 percent of the cheesemakers cannot get fresh milk, it should
work with store bought milk, otherwise they would not give out the
recipes in the book I guess,"
sounds reasonable. Never hurts to get a second opinion, though. I don't
have a recommendation, but I'll ask over on alt.binaries.food. A lot of my
buddies there make cheese and might have a good reference. If so, I'll post
it here. Meanwhile, you might check Amazon. Seeing how you do your
homework, you probably already have done so. ;-)
I like to mix Camembert and Gorgonzola for an appetizer or quesadilla. Mmm!
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I found there website, but there is a but, the raw milk is 2.99 1/2
gallon, this means its 6.00 a gallon, this way our homemade cheese it
gonna be
and expensive one:))
man, i believe everyboddy is looking for big profits is someone is
trying to copy there selling products pff
why does it has to be this expensive, not threatend at all, still 6
bucks a gallon they must be nuts , i will give them a call, and ask
them why,
i even want to pick it up myself !!

Irma
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